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		<title>By: Puzzled?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puzzled?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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When the hand is over and the cards are turned up, the cards speak for themselves.

If he miss calls his hand but someone else at the table sees it, your suppose to speak up.  When the cards are tabled is the time to choose who won the hand, even if it&#039;s not recognized by the player playing the hand.  It&#039;s the job of everybody at the table to make sure the right person gets the pot.

After the cards are put back into the deck and re shuffled and the pot is scooped it&#039;s too late.  

Also if a player thinks he&#039;s beat and doesn&#039;t table his hand but throws his cards in the muck it&#039;s a dead hand and he can&#039;t win the pot.  Even if he realizes he had the straight, you can&#039;t retrieve your cards from the muck.</description>
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<p>When the hand is over and the cards are turned up, the cards speak for themselves.</p>
<p>If he miss calls his hand but someone else at the table sees it, your suppose to speak up.  When the cards are tabled is the time to choose who won the hand, even if it&#8217;s not recognized by the player playing the hand.  It&#8217;s the job of everybody at the table to make sure the right person gets the pot.</p>
<p>After the cards are put back into the deck and re shuffled and the pot is scooped it&#8217;s too late.  </p>
<p>Also if a player thinks he&#8217;s beat and doesn&#8217;t table his hand but throws his cards in the muck it&#8217;s a dead hand and he can&#8217;t win the pot.  Even if he realizes he had the straight, you can&#8217;t retrieve your cards from the muck.</p>
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		<title>By: Vittorio the Froidian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vittorio the Froidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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he mucked them and since the chips were raked in and the cards were int he deck  there is no way to prove it,

so in the end he mucked  once there in the muck you cant unmuck  unless your in a game with a host who makes up his own rules lol

you won the pot so give your friends a quarter each so they can call someoen who gives a crap</description>
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<p>he mucked them and since the chips were raked in and the cards were int he deck  there is no way to prove it,</p>
<p>so in the end he mucked  once there in the muck you cant unmuck  unless your in a game with a host who makes up his own rules lol</p>
<p>you won the pot so give your friends a quarter each so they can call someoen who gives a crap</p>
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		<title>By: f100_supersabre</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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In MOST &quot;professional&quot; games, the cards declare themselves, even if the player &quot;miscalls&quot; his hand.
It depends on the &quot;house&quot; rules.

HOWEVER, IF the error is NOT spotted, and the cards are then put back into the deck, the hand is over and can NOT be corrected.</description>
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<p>In MOST &#8220;professional&#8221; games, the cards declare themselves, even if the player &#8220;miscalls&#8221; his hand.<br />
It depends on the &#8220;house&#8221; rules.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, IF the error is NOT spotted, and the cards are then put back into the deck, the hand is over and can NOT be corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: Hairy Hillbilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hairy Hillbilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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Youse right, He&#039;s wrong It&#039;s called Hoyle and it&#039;s the rule of poker. He&#039;d got shot and throwed out the little round window on the side of a river boat in 1800&#039;s for tryin to cheat</description>
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<p>Youse right, He&#8217;s wrong It&#8217;s called Hoyle and it&#8217;s the rule of poker. He&#8217;d got shot and throwed out the little round window on the side of a river boat in 1800&#8242;s for tryin to cheat</p>
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		<title>By: pdq</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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Really it&#039;s up to you and your friends to decide ahead of time whether or not you use the rule that casinos use.  It&#039;s called &quot;Cards Speak&quot;.

If you turn your hand up so that everyone can see it, then the Cards Speak whatever the best hand is.  In other words, it&#039;s possible to have a pair of Aces and SAY that your hand is a pair of Aces, but when you turn your cards face up, someone else can see that you also have a straight.  If you decide ahead of time that &quot;cards speak&quot;, the person will always get credit for the straight - even if they didn&#039;t see it.

With that being said - Once the hand is over and done, and the pot has been given, and the cards collected; technically there&#039;s no recourse for someone that thought the hands were misread.  He should be out of luck.

HOWEVER...you said you and your FRIENDS were playing.  If they are really your friends, you might want to act more like a friend than a poker player.  If you were positive that, yes - he had the straight, then you probably should let him have the pot.

Long story short:  Rules in casinos say &quot;cards speak&quot;.  Decide ahead of time if you and your friends will follow that rule, or if you have to &quot;declare&quot; your hand.  (Almost nobody plays where you have to declare to win.  It brings up lots of problems.  What happens when someone declares a pair of Aces, but then changes their mind when they see the straight?  It&#039;s not worth the arguments it&#039;ll bring.)  Also mention next time before you start that once the hand is over, it&#039;s OVER.  No &#039;take backs&#039; or &#039;re-dos&#039;.</description>
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<p>Really it&#8217;s up to you and your friends to decide ahead of time whether or not you use the rule that casinos use.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;Cards Speak&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you turn your hand up so that everyone can see it, then the Cards Speak whatever the best hand is.  In other words, it&#8217;s possible to have a pair of Aces and SAY that your hand is a pair of Aces, but when you turn your cards face up, someone else can see that you also have a straight.  If you decide ahead of time that &#8220;cards speak&#8221;, the person will always get credit for the straight &#8211; even if they didn&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>With that being said &#8211; Once the hand is over and done, and the pot has been given, and the cards collected; technically there&#8217;s no recourse for someone that thought the hands were misread.  He should be out of luck.</p>
<p>HOWEVER&#8230;you said you and your FRIENDS were playing.  If they are really your friends, you might want to act more like a friend than a poker player.  If you were positive that, yes &#8211; he had the straight, then you probably should let him have the pot.</p>
<p>Long story short:  Rules in casinos say &#8220;cards speak&#8221;.  Decide ahead of time if you and your friends will follow that rule, or if you have to &#8220;declare&#8221; your hand.  (Almost nobody plays where you have to declare to win.  It brings up lots of problems.  What happens when someone declares a pair of Aces, but then changes their mind when they see the straight?  It&#8217;s not worth the arguments it&#8217;ll bring.)  Also mention next time before you start that once the hand is over, it&#8217;s OVER.  No &#8216;take backs&#8217; or &#8216;re-dos&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: G Y</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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When the final bet is made it is said that you &#039;call&#039;- meaning it&#039;s time to show your hand. If you see the other player has the winning hand, you can just throw yours in. If you don&#039;t &#039;call&#039; and there is only one player left, that player wins and doesn&#039;t have to even show his cards. So bottom line - you can&#039;t win retroactively because you say you had a better hand. That&#039;s a learning lesson for your friend. Mistakes are made every hand. Either by the betting method or other strategy. Watch poker on TV and you&#039;ll see what I mean.</description>
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<p>When the final bet is made it is said that you &#8216;call&#8217;- meaning it&#8217;s time to show your hand. If you see the other player has the winning hand, you can just throw yours in. If you don&#8217;t &#8216;call&#8217; and there is only one player left, that player wins and doesn&#8217;t have to even show his cards. So bottom line &#8211; you can&#8217;t win retroactively because you say you had a better hand. That&#8217;s a learning lesson for your friend. Mistakes are made every hand. Either by the betting method or other strategy. Watch poker on TV and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Vegas Matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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Once all the cards hit the muck (in other words, once you&#039;ve put them back into the pile to start shuffling for the next hand) the cards are dead and the hand is over. You cannot go back and try to reconstruct the hand. Since he did not object before the chips were pushed to you and the cards were put into the muck, it&#039;s too late. You win the hand.</description>
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<p>Once all the cards hit the muck (in other words, once you&#8217;ve put them back into the pile to start shuffling for the next hand) the cards are dead and the hand is over. You cannot go back and try to reconstruct the hand. Since he did not object before the chips were pushed to you and the cards were put into the muck, it&#8217;s too late. You win the hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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if you want a tutorial for your friend on how to recognise poker hands then try here.
---video-tutorials.html

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<p>if you want a tutorial for your friend on how to recognise poker hands then try here.<br />
&#8212;video-tutorials.html</p>
<p>hope this helps</p>
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		<title>By: JDjoduJD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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at the end where the player shows the card, you basically declare what you have. he didn&#039;t declare it. u win. that&#039;s the rule. buy a poker book that explains it if you want.

in a friendly game, we all usually let it go, cuz it happens, and give them the chips. we NEVER let it go if he can&#039;t prove it. that&#039;s just bullshit. never will anyone let him get the chips. slap him in the face for me</description>
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<p>at the end where the player shows the card, you basically declare what you have. he didn&#8217;t declare it. u win. that&#8217;s the rule. buy a poker book that explains it if you want.</p>
<p>in a friendly game, we all usually let it go, cuz it happens, and give them the chips. we NEVER let it go if he can&#8217;t prove it. that&#8217;s just bullshit. never will anyone let him get the chips. slap him in the face for me</p>
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